Top up fees

Yeh because that makes life so much easier! Thats a ridiculous comment you might be able to cope with the potential of managing debt but there are tons of people in the country who can't for various reasons.

Fair point about saving up but then once the cap is "potentially" removed in 5 years time then it could be that tuition fees go up to 5k or even 10k a year! How long would that take you to save up and also how would you get that money from jobs you aquire from just leaving th form?

Essentially it will become a market economy - the best universities will be for the richest, rather than the brightest, and they will charge what people will pay.

There will be noises about a bursary or 2 to maybe 5%, but overall I can't see how this is a positive move.

Will there be different fees for different courses?

I am always stunned how many students moan about debt, yet don't work during the holidays or get pub jobs etc during term time. Yes, it is hard, and it is ridiculous the amount of debt some people come out with, but there are ways to lessen it as you go.

I firmly believe there are too many people going to university, particularly in cases where much more could be learnt on the job. Degrees are becoming almost meaningless.

This is what i dont get the people who live me have spent the majority of there £££ on :drunk: then they whinge that there poor and have no £

Im at Uni full time but im also working 30 hours to keep as much out of debt as possible its like 1 big holiday to some

At least my degree is vocational and il have a job at the end of it

The top up fee's are a farce though

It's been shown that if you work in term time you're less likely to get a 1st or 2:1.

Besides, past the first few years, it's pretty impossible in medical/dental degrees.

I agree on some degrees, but I know plenty of people who worked and got good degrees. One guy on my course had a young family, which surely takes up more time and effort than a part time job, yet he managed to get a 1st.

I did a fine art degree which I guess must be one of the worst in terms of career prospects. I got a grant to go do it, fees paid. I would never have taken on debt to do that degree but I have made a living as an artist ever since and paid taxes which I would not have done if I'd have staid in the shit jobs I was doing before.
It seems so unfair that the generation who benefited from free education have pulled the ladder up behind them and left people today struggling with mountains of debt

That's a bullshit urban myth that was created in a medic faculty years ago. I know two medics who both worked during uni, one got a first and the other got a 2:1. I know the work load is higher than most courses, and perhpas a term-time PT job would be too much, but there's no way you can't work over summer (apart from electives I know).

I think that working through your debt is a good idea, I've done it whilst I've been at Uni and there are people who yes do winge about debt and don't get off their arse and work. However it's not even the debt to do with going out and not working, with the new fee system it is inevitable that students will come out with debt no matter if they work or not.

I don't agree with the thought that the best Unis will just accept people who can pay as grades will still be put in place for people to get onto the courses.

I think it is harsh that the generation who did benefit from free education have just sacked off the idea of looking back and heping those who can't any more.


What the current camapign is fighting for is that students shouldn't have to put up with the thought of unbearable debt and so are put off with going to Uni when they really want to. It also doesn't agree with students paying ridiculous amounts of money to have an education!


I don't agree that Uni is seen as the only way forward as I do thin there are plenty of other vocations and careers which are amazing that you don't need a degree for and this should be highlighted to 6th formers. but that is all part of the goverment initiative to push so many students into Uni.

Re: Top up fees

This will apply to me too, I have two years of school left

Agreed, I work through all my holidays. Not sure I could manage term time though, but I'm looking into it these days

i go to uni, college and work for a bank its inevitable that i'll fail somewhere, especially considering the lack of preparation ive had going back into uni for my final year