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  1. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    you're such an arrogant cock.

    explain to me how my lifestyle is wrong?

    better yet how can you prove that your way is right? Divorce rates are higher in secular british society, the family unit is butchered in secular british society, you don't live as long, you have far more registered depressed people, you don't achieve as much educationally, you don't achieve as much economically and so and so forth.

    You may not subscribe to what we teach... thats fine... But to label your way of doing things right when British society is riddled with so many of its own unique problems is quite some claim.
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    In your RE lessons when were you forced to accept anything as fact?
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    Religion is used to justify all sorts of shit I see/read about all the time - children not allowed to have blood transfusions (Why? For it is written...), you've got sexual inequality at the hands of assorted Islamic laws, honour killings, assorted wars, blah de blah de blah.

    I don't give a fuck if people want to wear strange clothes and practice funny ceremonies, they're quite entitled to. But some words written 2000 years ago that they only every pay attention to bits of, and ignore others quite happily, is a poor substitute for a strong sense of morals imo. And it certainly doesn't justify any compromise of human rights.

    I mean, even if you've accepted that one of them is right (in the face of the lack of evidence) then you've got to accept the majority of them are wrong as they're so different.

    Spend the money teaching it over physics? Errr.....
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    Considering a large proportion of the population cited 'jedi' as their religion in the census a few years back, should we have jedi focused schools as well?

    At what cut of point does a religion become important enough for the council to build a school for them with a curriculum centred around their 'beliefs' - or do we support the 'top 5' and just risk turning out more clones (albeit 5 different types of them).

    Personally i think as a world, we need to think of local/international citizenship very seriously and almost push as hard as possible for integration as possible, before we allow people to use their free will and time outside of jobs and school to pursue what they want to.

    With that in mind, i feel religion has no place in school. Im not very religious myself (apart from spiritual) and in todays current world - look at religion either being the scapegoat and/or cause of most of the worlds problems.
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    Far more people have died in the name of science and democracy than religion.

    You can't preach superiority when your solution is riddled with far more problems.

    How are they so different?

    The two main religions were born of Judaism and are all incredibly similar... Without the help of google I doubt you'd be able to tell me the differences.
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    If you tell a 5 year old:

    "Then God said, "Let there be a dome in the middle of the waters, to separate one body of water from the other." And so it happened:"

    ...he/she doesn't hear "Some people believe that 'then God said, "Let....."), but some others don't actually think this, and other people believe different things, and some others think they have evidence of a big bang', he/she takes that as truth, as an adult in a position of power has told them.

    It's quite wrong.
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    I don't think you understand how faith schools work, they tend to be old established schools which apply for the same funds as their secular neighbours... why shouldn't they have access to the same funding - they've made the same contribution to British society as your parents, grandparents and ancestors.

    Which religion is responosible for the worlds problems?
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    The same could be said for the Big Bang (which is on the national curriculum).
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    I can cite you evidence for that though, you can't find me any for God deciding on some dome.

    This is how science works and education should work - evidence based.
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    what evidence can you cite?

    I can put forward a compelling argument that alligns biblical chronollegy with modern cosmological consensus.

    We're both presenting theories.
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    Religion and with it, the sense of sepratism is/was behind alot of how the world has developed or degraded over the years.

    Christianity played a massive part in this in the past with the crusades and the like, but today its more about Islam versus the rest of the world - and the various factions/groups who centre themselves around their religion as a means of justifying conflicts/terrorism.
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    Andy how do you explain abiogenesis?

    How do explain how highly enegergised light beams turned morphed into matter?
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    Expansion of the universe, lack of thermal equilibrium in the universe, direction of expansion, velocity of expansion....they all point to a central explosion like event.

    And this is incompatible with evidence of evolution. Where do dinosaurs fit into creationism theory? :think:
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    sepratism isn't born out religion... sepratism is human nature.

    this is a silly argument.
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    Its possible to grow self replicating chemicals in a lab.

    We use segments of genes all the time - they're not alive, but they're chemical that would have the potential.

    Energy to matter is mere E = mc squared, matter to life is mere chance, and millions of years.
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    How?

    I thought most cosmologists ditched the big bang theory in favour of cosmic inflation?


    Only a small sect of Christianity teach christianity as you know.... most religions have their own interpretation (Judaism believes the earth to be billions of years old).
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    Sooooo....they're wrong?
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    eh?

    All that e=mc tells us that every object contains an energy which is eternal in this space time continuim... how does that explain abiogenesis?
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    In my opinion yes... But I wouldn't deny them the right to teach their children their beliefs.
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    It tells us that mass has energy (a great deal of energy).

    If you heat something, it's mass increases.

    That's energy to mass.

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