Capitalism past its sell by date?

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  1. Yosef Ha'Kohain

    Yosef Ha'Kohain Registered User

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    Then by your definition the roman empire was very succesful if u were a slave owner.

    Fortunatly we've come a long way since roman times and I'd judge a systems success by the standard of living and as theres enough wealth in the world for every1 to have an extremely comfortable standard of living I don't think our system is very succesfull.

    A few fat cats have more money than they could ever need while kids die everyday from poverty.

    The systems doesn't work.
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    i think people are starting to turn against the capitalists - BUT i would in no way like to set a time scale for awareness to be at a level where something can actually be done about it.

    So yeah, i agree, i think that it may well fall. but if it happens in my lifetime, i will be quite surprised. but who knows, this race may surprise me yet...
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    A few hippies smashing up a few buildings for one day a year in london isnt a revolution.

    Capitalism is in our nature.
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    Do you understand what capitalism is? i don't mean to sound patronising but we must be talking about 2 completely different things.

    Capitalism is in our blood?

    For a good example of pure capitalism, look back 100 years ago towards the industrial revolution, there were no unions, minimum wages, protection for workers - the comapanies basically worked there staff to death for a very low wage... As the world has moved on capitalism is moving further and further away from its pure core...

    What confuses me is hwo you can thing exploiting the week is in our nature... if u look back to the beginning of time the caveman system was basically a crude communist collective... they'd go out hunting and share everything with the community there were no possessions as such.

    Explain how its in our bloods.

    As for your retarded comments about hippies... You have no clue mate minimum wage, unions, fair trade aren't thing brought about by hippies.

    The changes have already happened and will continue to happen
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    lol u must eb onto a winner if juski agrees with you
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    Are these comments not simply explaind by looking at the law of the jungle so to speak. Everything on our planet every from of life evolves and changes around one simple rule. Survival of the fittest!:monkey: :D
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    Im not trying to win an argument here - just giving my POV which you encouraged by starting this thread.

    I also disagree with capitalism, but saying its in our nature... the reasons cavemen had a communist "collective" was because they lived in a time where it was a necessity - we live in a world where we dont have to run from dinosaurs anymore (yes, that was a joke) so we are in a position to enforce our natural tendancies which are to define ourselves by the yardstick of how we stack up against the poor and the deprived.
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    but we're not talking about biological evolution - it seems silly to compare the 2 :p
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    I've never heard such a pesamistic outlook on humans since reading Mein Kampf.

    Do you truely belief it is in our nature to exploit the weak for as much wealth as possible?
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    how many times.....

    No i dont support that ideal...

    No i dont believe it...

    no its not what i stand up for...


    YES its what i think is the case with humans


    LOL at mein kampf comment :lol:
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    IMO you are wrong.

    the majority of humans aren't corrupt money grabbing capitalist pigs who will happily live on the exploitation of others.
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    Ahhh but your a capitalist though ;)
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    How could it be silly they are linkd and unseparable.. the comment of weather or not its human nature to exploit the poor for there own benefit is that not the same as an animal eating another because its bigger and stronger and needs food?:spangled: :p
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    So is the third world farmer living on a bowl of rice every other day... it doesn't mean he has any faith in the system
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    Sorry I thought you were commenting on the life span and evolution of capitalism - not human nature...
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    Through this period of evolution standards have continued to be set to give the weak a better standard of living though... It isn't human nature to go to war with Iraq over oil, this is a tiny proportion of the population wanting to benefit from the misfortune of others....

    Do you honestly believe that 90% of the world would allow the bombing of a nation so a few companies can get a little richer and more powerful.

    300 years ago the monarchy would use the very arguements your using now - look @ it now, in a capitalist society the power and wealth is controlled by a select few - just like the monarchy... I fail to see how its any more stable.

    You can't question that as man has evolved he has strived to find a better standard of living for the masses, why should a dated system like capitalism halt evolution?
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    empirically - communism and socialism seems to be the antithesis of evolution though.

    Humans arent fit to run a socialist state.... Animal farm was quite funny in that respect.
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    its nto a case of feeling guilty or being part of the chain.

    there is no choice - to survive in todays society you have to adpat to the capitalist system, oxfam send second hand nikes over to third world countries - should those children not wear the shoes cos they were produced in a sweat shop?

    Its all to do with survival... I don't think we do share the responsibility - as if we ignored the capitlist world around us - we'd probably be living in some field dying from tb.
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    :lol:

    I'm not suggesting communism or socialism will replace capitalism - I'm merely stating I think the era of capitalism is drawing to an end (after a very short lifespan)
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    on the brink of a global revolution! We all know whats wright and wrong , we know there are those less fortunate and we know that capitilism prays on that fact . There are now signs that our global society is moving in the wright direction but until we find or develop somthing else ,capitilism in however small a form will still be the main force behind our politics, our social exsistence and our development as a planet!:( :rolleyes: :) :D

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