Accidental Killing of the brazillian Lad

theres a huge difference between a doctor and a police officer.

A doctor is trying to save lives without endangering anyone but the dying patient. A police officer is taking lives to save others... Therefore the situation should be handled far more delicatly.

It would seem that this was a trigger happy copper working under knee jerk policies.

You cant gun down civilians who weren't under survelance, of none arabic origin, with no visible signs of somewhere to store explosives.... Its inexcusable.

From what i've heard - by the time it got to their level, the level of the policer actually on foot at the station, all they knew was "don't let him on the train" - it was already too far into the situation - the mistake had already been made - and they had been given the authorisation to shoot to kill.

it's a tragic accident - but as usual it's the grunts on the street, doing the work that get the blame

i was simply maiking an observation that those two particular jobs carry risks, and that a snap decision made by either the doctor or the cop can cost a life

both have to make on the spot choices, which, as seen, can have serious repercussions

Everyone is human... 1 day after the bombings, you're following him, the info you've been given is wrong but you don't know this, your job is act on instructions given by your superiors without questions as lives are at steak... he runs for the train, there's confusion, a witness grabs him - you have to act and make that desicion.

it could have saved 100's of lives if he'd done his job correctly - 100's could have been lost if he didn't do what he was told, on the information he was given.

there's no doubt management and communication were at fault - not individual officers

exactly. he was simply following orders, the split second he was given the authorisation to shoot, how did he know that the kid was simply a student on an expired visa?

im sure in circumstances like that, the time just isnt there to weigh up the pro's and cons of your potential actions

Yes the police should be cut some slack but they should not

A) Blatently Lie to us about it

B)Conviently Wipe CCTV footage

C)Try to stop an investigation

the head of the mets head should roll not the guys who fired the guns

Defo sounds like a SAS tactic... their idea is if they're going to drop someone who POSSIBLY could be threatening to set a bomb off - make sure they have NO CHANCE of getting back up to set that pin off... it's like the stories that came out of the iranian embassy bombings, the terrorist who came down the stairs disguised as a hostage - they didn't give him a channce to pull the pin of his grenade - 2 SMGs unloaded full clips to make sure he was dead b4 he hit the ground

Exactly what i have said from day one.

Which is why i said it.

my point doesn't concern whoever pulled the trigger, more so the flipant 'couldn't give a fuck' nimby attitude that certain people seem to have..

'could have saved a hundred lives' yes true, not exactly rocket science, but they didn't, yet people still seem to think that there has been a positive outcome from this?

taking the life of another man is the worst possible thing anyone can do, whoever was conducting the surveilance should have been 110% certain, without a shadow of a doubt that this guy was their man, instead of playing out some kind of russian roulette until they get the 'right one'.

in a way we are very fortunate that it was a brazillian and not a muslim or the situation would be ten times worse.

either way, gunning people down in the street isn't going to lead anywhere other than inducing a state of fear onto people in london. the police should be concentrating their efforts at grass roots, shooting people isn't going to get us anywhere.

OK lets clear up the bullshit with facts:

-He wasn't wearing a puffer jacket.

-He wasn't running.

-He wasn't told to stop.

-He didn't jump any barrier.

-If he was a suspect bomber he'd already been followed onto a bus... which he could of blown up.

-3 shots missed a pinned down unarmed man... yep these are the type of sharp shooters we want carrying huge fucking guns!

Quote from the report:

^ illegal execution

-Police wipe cctv

-Ian Blair begged the home office and prime minister for an internal inquiry.




Yeah you're right.... we should be defending our police force... read the facts before forming opinions please.

As brutal as it sounds its the only option in situations like that. They did their job, the outcome was a mistake no question but if inquiries and court marshalls come about its wrong imo

thats why you shouldnt hold an opinion.

Well i have that one and for reasons i wont tell a keyboard warrior like yourself i'm sticking by it..

end of.

shut it euegene.

And here's me thinking you were original and funny.

THIS is where it went wrong... the surveilance on the flat said they saw him leave they said "he's worth a second look" i.e. to see if it was the right man cause he wasn't certain

A second look wasn't taken - this is where it seems to have gone wrong in my opinion. Whoever/whatever the chain of command was later down the line, whoever was in charge of taking over surveilance either on/before/after he got on the bus has ASSUMED he was one of the previous days bombers

Whoever it was with the guns only knew he WAS a suspect and that they had orders to kill.

Management screw up

i could comment on your lack of spelling mr cohen... but that would be low

You lot have watched too many films