Downloading music and getting caught

People to be fiar there no point in arguing about it, the people who do it aren't gonna stop unless they get caught and the people who don't do aren't gonna start thinking its right because everyones doing it.

a lot of samples, amazon I think is one of them, are useless when it comes to a sample. The majority of the music we all listen to is far to long for a 30 second sample to do it any justice. All you hear is the intro which sounds the same for the first 30 seconds anyway.

I don't think you can argue against the fact that a lot of music from smaller artists is heard and appreciated from the downloading of mp3's a lot more than it would be if everyone was required to goto a shop and buy them. Fair enough you could goto some shops and sample some tunes but people don;t want to have to stand in a shop sampling hours of music and theres not enough record shops in the world to allow everyone who hears new music on mp3 to go and do it in a store. It's known to everyone that since the internet really took off, advertising and worldwide knowledge and sharing of material has become much more available to millions of people and has definately helped everyone to a certain extent and this includes music.

As much as there are bad sides to downloading music and methods of doing so that are unfair on the artists/producers full stop, there are good points to it aswell and I don't think anyone can say it's all bad. The current situation where people download albums all the time and never buy one outweighs the more innocent methods yes, but I don't think it's fair to class everyone who downloads an mp3 without paying some money for it as a thief due to the different reasons and outcomes that there are.

You come up with all these points but the fact is poeple dont download music to check it out, I dont know anyone who owns all the albums they have downlaoded, Something has caused a MASSIVE drop in sales and it coincides with the advent of broadband

Exactly :wiggle:

On another note i like owning CD's they look better on my shelf that an MP3

Your right, its just the people who do it, dont seem to think they are doing anything wrong

Because somebody made the download sites, it can hardly be put in the same category as full on CRIME...

Tbh I dont see half of the stuff I download coming out on cd, I barely download any chart stuff I dont play on decks so im hardly gonna buy one turntable and buy vinyl so I feel like Im doing my bit for the music community...

All in all I feel sorry that the music sales have gone down, but dont make each CD a good 20 quid and next time round I'm sure they'll do better

Your Nicking their work for free tho

The point I was trying to make is that people who are saying 'anyone who downloads music without paying for it is basically doing the same as walking into a shop and nicking a cd'. I believe that to be a huge exageration if it's being applied to everyone for the reasons i gave above.

I know and everyone else knows that the majority of people download music with no intention of buying it. I do it myself sometimes (i own proper albums too yada yada..). Don't you agree though that to a certain extent, in certain circumstances (hugely outweighed y the amount of people downloading albums without intention of buying) not everyone downloading music is adding to the negative affect on artists/producers and in some cases benifitting them. ie. smaller artists gaining fans they wouldnt have gained without the use of the internet who then support them at clubs etc etc.

Well they dont bring it out on Cd, so good im glad im nicking it

At the end of the day, anything downloaded that isn't available on a popular format to the general public is doing nothing bu boosting the artists reputation.

And anyway, I download songs, or get sent them, play them to other people who do have decks then they buy them on vinyl some of the time, so they should be thanking me

Exactly, especially what I just said there about playing them to others who havent heard them already and would consider buying them on vinyl!!

Dont you think you should have there permission first? I mean it is there hard work and it does belong to them.....

I would love it if you made a really amazing dance track then every fucker nicked it from you over the net

as i mentioned already though, if there isnt a statistic, and it isn't a bad thing in an atmosphere where the current 'thing' is to blast people for doing something the way you aren't supposed to, then it isn't really happening and it doesnt count as a positive effect.

I would be happy that everyone appreciated my music though, rather than create a track that i thought was awesome but have nobody knowing what it was or that it even existed. If it's not available for people to buy on a popular format, then people downloading it aren't exactly evading the cost of the cd are they. A track can't be good unless people say it is and if its not available for everyone to listen to then who's going to say it's good?

I'm not here to tell you what's right and what is wrong i'm just expressing my opinions about the affair and trying to bring light on some advantages.

Don't hate me for it if it was up to me I'd make a system where everyone had to pay for music but only where it's fair on the customers too.

My opinion is that its wrong to steal anything, and i will now leave it at that, I dont wanna hear any more justification for theft

Fair enough. I agree it's wrong to steal but with the many different angles you can look at it there's never going to be a set agreement over it.

Lets talk about something less debatable like how cool cd spindles are

Juno's great for 'dance' music, but I do not see the difference at all in listening to 45 seconds and then buying the record, to listening to the whole track by downloading it 'illegally' and then buying the record.

And certainly for the stuff that I used to play out, I did used to download the tracks off Napster first before deciding what to buy - I spent the same amount of money, I didn't spend it on shit music though, and I didn't play burned tracks out neither...

Think peeps need to see there is more than two sides to everything...