You know things are wrong in the world when...

You know things are wrong in the world when...

...you are being lectured on your musical knowledge by a trance DJ!

trance fans have awful taste in music FACT.

Apparently Richie Hawtin does not play techno...he plays electro-prog?!

Richie Hawton IS REAL TECHNO.

People who get into 'genres' need shooting, you like and play music you like regardless of 'genre'

There are very few DJ's/producers who are difficult to pin to a particular genre who do it well.

so... does Mauro play techno?

No he plays trance you fool!

with dollops of techno!

this is what i have to deal with...

highlights include:

magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
anyways we are gonna make some minimal techno luke

:: Luke ::. says:
im not making minimal techno

.:: Luke ::. says:
it's uninspiring, poorly produced crap

magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
well make a "better" minimal techno tune then!

magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
i would love to hear your take on what they are doing so very wrong

.:: Luke ::. says:
no, because it wouldn't be minimal would it

magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
it's poorly produced because it's minimal

magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
yet it is supposed to be minimal

magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
it's like saying prog shuld be more trancey

.:: Luke ::. says:
they could still use better sounds

magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
it's not called minimal for nothing you know?!

.:: Luke ::. says:
because the producers don't have the skill to fill up the sound spectrum ?

.:: Luke ::. says:
or they haven't learned anything new in 10 years ?

.:: Luke ::. says:
the closest thing to well produced minimal techno is benni benassy and thats chart drivel thats overcompressed to fuck

serves me right for asking a trance producer to make a techno tune

whole unedited convo:

magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
anyways we are gonna make some minimal techno luke
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
but you need to understand it first
.:: Luke ::. says:
no we're not it's shite
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
i'll put some stuff onto cd for you and you can listen to it loads
.:: Luke ::. says:
lol
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
eventually it will click
.:: Luke ::. says:

magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
you owe me
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
but i don't wanna do it until you get what we're trying to do!
.:: Luke ::. says:
im not making minimal techno
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
WE are making minimal techno
.:: Luke ::. says:
u can
.:: Luke ::. says:
ive gave u over 5k worth of software
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
i can't do it
.:: Luke ::. says:
ive been producing for 4 years, nobody taught me!
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
yeah but i haven't got 4 years
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
i want it done now
.:: Luke ::. says:
lol
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
my musical taste will have changed in 4 weeks never mind 4 years
.:: Luke ::. says:
not much i can do bou tthat
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
yeah there is
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
make a minimal techno tune with me
.:: Luke ::. says:
lol
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
problem solved
.:: Luke ::. says:
no
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
my wishlist @ juno is well random
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
everything from marco bailey, to electro to minimal stuff
.:: Luke ::. says:
thats your problem
.:: Luke ::. says:
i dont like tunes unless they have good basslines
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
you don't have to like it luke you just have to understand it
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
listen to those tunes
.:: Luke ::. says:
lol
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
they are only 1 min long
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
it's 11 anyways tell her to get up
.:: Luke ::. says:
lol
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
the 2nd one is lush
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
RICCARDO VILLALOBOS - Dexter
.:: Luke ::. says:
they are shit
.:: Luke ::. says:
im hungry
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
luke
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
they are mint
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
what's wrong with you?!?
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
how can you not like this stuff??
.:: Luke ::. says:
lol
.:: Luke ::. says:
it's uninspiring, poorly produced crap
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
and i thought you had a broad musical knowledge
.:: Luke ::. says:
hard house tunes have more layers
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
it's not called minimal for nothing you know?!
.:: Luke ::. says:
because the producers don't have the skill to fill up the sound spectrum ?
.:: Luke ::. says:
or they haven't learned anything new in 10 years ?
.:: Luke ::. says:
you don't listen to a james holden tune and go, mint a kick and some fx, fucking great... coz there is so much going one
.:: Luke ::. says:
-e
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
so how comes these producers/dj's get paid thousands to play all over the world and you play in some shit hole in newcastle?
.:: Luke ::. says:
how come shit like pretty green eyes gets to #1
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
it's hardly an apt comparison
.:: Luke ::. says:
or people who make porn sites get a lot more than u!
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
sorry like luke this stuff is clearly way beyond you
.:: Luke ::. says:
lol
.:: Luke ::. says:
same token ferry corsten is not playing some shit hole as u sweetly put it
.:: Luke ::. says:
its about having the rep behind u
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
that doesn't make sense luke?
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
did you mis out a word in your anger?
.:: Luke ::. says:
by
.:: Luke ::. says:
the
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:

.:: Luke ::. says:
same as pvd
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
by the what?
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
what the fuck are you on about you've lost me like?S
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
in fact you lost me at...
.:: Luke ::. says:
your argument is these people that can't produce properly are playing allover the world and getting loaded as a result and im not because i dont make crap music
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
.:: Luke ::. says:
it's uninspiring, poorly produced crap
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
no that wasn't my argument
.:: Luke ::. says:
ferry corsten plays all over the world and gets thousands
.:: Luke ::. says:
and he can produce
.:: Luke ::. says:
its about reputation, not the skills
.:: Luke ::. says:
as tiesto demonstrates by clearly being shit and #1 world dj
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
my argument is that who are you to say they don't produce properly when they've probably sold more records you've heard and play more gigs in a month in different countries than you play in a year.
.:: Luke ::. says:
yes
.:: Luke ::. says:
i bet when they were 19 they hadn't though
.:: Luke ::. says:
fame doesn't come overnight
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
but how the fuck can you say something like "it's uninspiring, poorly produced crap" when they have sold xxxx records and play in xxx different countries for xxxx thousand pounds and have xxxx thousand fans.
.:: Luke ::. says:
it is
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
compared to your cheesy gay trance it might be
.:: Luke ::. says:
celion dion is a talentless fuckwit who's vocals are auto-tuned in the studio
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
but not everyone compares everything to your cheesy gay trance luke
.:: Luke ::. says:
she sang the themetune to arguably the most successful film of the last millennium
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
and what's that got to do with minimal techno being "it's uninspiring, poorly produced crap"
.:: Luke ::. says:
that's not your argument
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
in case i typed that sentence wrong i don't think i was presenting an argument?
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
i was merely posing a question?
.:: Luke ::. says:
its proving a point
.:: Luke ::. says:
that it doesnt matter what it is, if people buy it there will be fame + success
.:: Luke ::. says:
and money made
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
you are slating a whole genre of music because you don't "get" it
.:: Luke ::. says:
no, im slating it because it is drivel
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
and by your standards those who pioneer it can't produce properly
.:: Luke ::. says:
same as im slating celine dion
.:: Luke ::. says:
and it is crapply produced
.:: Luke ::. says:
on both accounts
.:: Luke ::. says:
but people are prepared to buy it
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
it;s like saying a film must be written like this
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
a book must be written like that
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
bollocks
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
you can't go around saying creativity has to be a certain way
.:: Luke ::. says:
it's not
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
"you can only paint pictures like this"
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
fuck off terry
.:: Luke ::. says:
it's that the music hasn't evolved
.:: Luke ::. says:
it is simple
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
it's supposed to be simple
.:: Luke ::. says:
boringly simple
.:: Luke ::. says:
with shit standard patches
.:: Luke ::. says:
that set u sent me
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
they are simple tunes and the dj's are technical as fuck with them!!
.:: Luke ::. says:
all them sounds and fx are basically turn a synth on and that's what comes out
.:: Luke ::. says:
no synth programming required
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
luke i am not in the slighest bit arsed about the technicalities of how they are produced
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
they sound good and that's all i care about
.:: Luke ::. says:
then you have highlighted one of the underlying faults within the genre
.:: Luke ::. says:
the people who listen don't know that it could be done better
.:: Luke ::. says:
but then again, if it was done better, it wouldn't be "minimal"
.:: Luke ::. says:
it woudl be good
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
luke you're missing the point completely
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
it IS minimal and is SUPPOSED to be minimal
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
it's like saying prog shuld be more trancey
.:: Luke ::. says:
they could still use better sounds
.:: Luke ::. says:
that top sample
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
well you make a "better" minimal techno tune then!
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
i bet you fucking can't
.:: Luke ::. says:
they are all basic 808 drum sounds that come like as the standard drum kit for fruity
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
i would love to hear your take on what they are doing so very wrong
.:: Luke ::. says:
the vocoder used, uses a carrier signal with the synth set to saw initialise
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
stop trying to confuse me with technical shit
.:: Luke ::. says:
the track doesn't have a bassline
.:: Luke ::. says:
the 2nd one is better
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
go on then make a minimal techno tune how they should be made according to you
.:: Luke ::. says:
no, because it wouldn't be minimal would it
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
so luke what's your point then?
.:: Luke ::. says:
i doubt i could get to 5 minutes and not be falling asleep
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
it's poorly produced because it's minimal
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
yet it is supposed to be minimal
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
and if it was properly produced it wouldn't be minimal
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
you're talking out of your fucking backside mate
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
i refer you to this.....
.:: Luke ::. sends:


.:: Luke ::. says:
right
.:: Luke ::. says:
out of all the bassdrums in the world
.:: Luke ::. says:
they all use something that is as crappy as this

Transfer of "BD.wav" is complete. [crap bass drum sample that comes free with fruityloops]

.:: Luke ::. sends:


magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
http://www.promisealways.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43297
.:: Luke ::. says:
scroll down

Transfer of "BD_2.wav" is complete. [crap bass drum sample that comes free with fruityloops]

.:: Luke ::. says:
you can't tell me that them 2 samples aren't some of the crappest you have ever heard
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
hahaha
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
luke they are fucking 1 beat
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
i do not produce music
.:: Luke ::. says:
put repeat on then
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
i do not give a fuck
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
can't in itunes i don't think
.:: Luke ::. says:
the closest thing to well produced minimal techno is benni benassy and thats chart drivel thats overcompressed to fuck
.:: Luke ::. says:
that first tune is like satisfaction without the bassline
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
you really are clueless
.:: Luke ::. says:
it is
.:: Luke ::. says:
listen to it
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
you intelligence level on this subject insults me
.:: Luke ::. says:
when u can produce minimal techno, and believe me going by them samples it ain't hard, come back + have a conversation with me
.:: Luke ::. says:
those samples aren't mono either, there is no width to the sound. it's completely mono
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
i was gonna post our conversation on the promise board to demonstrate your ignorance
.:: Luke ::. says:
go for it
magicman...magicman...does whatever a magicman can... says:
in fact i will post the highlights
.:: Luke ::. says:
you will only make yourself look stupid

I feel sorry for anyone who actually takes the time to read our bitching

good read!

To be fiar like luke your a bit of a cock if your think minimal music is badly produced because all the 3D stereo field hasn't been used.

Making use of space in your mix, is a tool that a lot of very experienced producers use to create mood in there tracks.

Just because its not trance you think it's bably produced, thats not a very good thing to say if your a producer.

Think you need to widen your horizons a lot, because the only way you can get ahead of the game and be original is to use other ideas and approches to producing.

If you stick to what you know you will fizzle and die very quickly. Nearly every trance producer does this bar a few which is why lots of people have lost interest in trance.

i listen to a lot more than trance i'll have you know.

and to be fair, i blame paul's shit taste in music as other people have since shown me a lot better produced and interesting minimal tracks; http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/178199-01.htm&highlight=maetrik for example

you obviously don't know me at all, and i do make a lot of other stuff apart from trance, just because i don't market it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

and as far as space goes in a mix, i totally agree with you. paul's idea of minimal doesn't interest me at all, and if you think im a cock going on one convo, (where me + paul argue for the sake of it to fill in time anyway) and you obviously don't know me at all wouldn't it be best to keep your comments to yourself.

i can certainly remember you being the know it all to george hales, bren-f and myself with that crappy track u produced and posted on here; and the ahead board i think arguing what your music teacher or whatever had taught you was gospel and not what actually works better.

Go Luke, Go Luke!!!!

Shite taste in music?!!

the proper techno b2b was cool

if there is a repeat it won't be minimal, could happily go to sleep to it. as u say real techno people hate trance, we gotta give some hatred back