Does Promise / Shindig ???

Does Promise / Shindig ???

Have access for wheelchair users ??? and does Foundation have a disabled toilet ??? my mate was saying that the club does not cater for disabled people but i cannot believe that it does'nt, does anyone know to settle an argument ????

Re: Does Promise / Shindig ???

Not as far as ive seen!!

Re: Re: Does Promise / Shindig ???

Hmmm surely that has got to be against some law

I think you can get in via one of the fire doors. There is a ramp down to the toilets (though I don't know if there is a specific disabled toilet), but you wouldn't be able to go either onto the dance floor or upstairs.

In other words, I think there is access but it isn't great.

apparently the law is coming in soon that all bars, resturants, etc have to cater for disabled people. Enforcement/compliance is a different matter....

There is a disabled toilet opposite the toilets!

The Disability Discrimination Act or summinck I think - came into force a month or two back. All businesses must ensure that they cater for disabled workers/customers/etc as far as they can within reason.

Thats totally missing the point, disable people should be able to get about the club with at least some ease!!

Buildings should be set up so people with disabilities do not have to ask for help in this way. That's one of the reasons the DDA was introduced, to prevent such senarios from occurring.

Businesses must take reasonable steps to cater for the diverse needs of their customers.

Agreed though, any reasonable person would help if they could.

heard an interesting debate on radio4 a few months ago where a disable chap said that " i don't see why EVERY company, business, organisation in the country has to spend time and money installing hundreds of thousands of pounds of equipment and modifications to get compliant with UK regulations, just on the off chance that one day i MAY want to visit their establishment"

he was a wheelchair user and i thought it was interesting he had this point of view....

Another interesting point is they dont have anything special for blind people so why for people in wheelchairs?

im not saying i agree with this point but it is quite interesting

Good point - but by the same logic you could say "why have fire escapes on the off chance there MAY be a fire?" - you have to prepare for all possibilities.

It's the most frustrating thing. My mam's in a wheelchair and has been for years, and there's so many stupid things that get in the way for her, that wouldn't be an issue at all to an able-bodied person.

The first thing you see when you step into my office is a disabled toilet - great.

Unfortunately, you've just walked up a flight of stairs to get their, and a cupboard has recently been put in the toilet, taking up half of it, and I can tell just from looking - from experience - that there would be a no way a wheelchair can get in there anyway.

When I raised this in general conversation with someone high up at work, his response was "can't people just get out and walk up the stairs, if we help them?" <-- responses like that disappoint me.

it just shows how backwards some attitudes are BUT also how goverment can force thru legislation (sp?), all beit with good intensions, but without listening to what is actually needed or what the benefits people would gain. You quoted a prime example - this company MUST have a disable toilet - nevermind this company is up umpteen flights of stairs with no wheelchair access to even get to the company!

"maybe if we look like we're doing the right thing, people will think better of us" which is a pointless attitude - these things should be done with the aim of HELPING people, rather than because they have to......

Spot on - but unfortunately, unless it directly affects them, most people just don't care.

I bet if most people are honest, they didn't have a clue to the answer when they read this thread (myself included) because it doesn't affect them directly.

But hey, that's life.. etc.

Such as?

I work in a predominately warehouse environment, with admin offices and around 350+ people. There is NO disabled toilet at all. I think it is disgusting, particularly as we rely a lot on agency workers, and if we were supplied with an admin assistant who was in a wheelchair, I hate to think of the consequences.

Yes people would carry them up and downstairs usually, but what would happen in the event of a fire, with everyone desperate to get out? Carrying the person in the wheelchair wouldn't be the first thing that the majority of people would think about doing.

As it stands, there is access to the main room in Foundation, and there is a disabled toilet. I know this is not ideal, as there is no access to the upstairs room (that I know of), but it's more than a lot of clubs have.

any signs in club or notices have braile inscriptions so ppl who r blind can read them

etc

The building I work in has no wheelchair access... it fails on many counts under the new legislation. However the companies that employ people there are not liable as they do not own the building...