Bush calls for Gay Wedding ban...

scruf your talking absoloute shit... In 2001 71% of the american population were christian, 1.3% were jewish... Although the jews are massively influencial in america, they don't come close to the power the christians have.... America is a christian country which is why fundamental thinking like this is expected.

As helz says the sad thing is the vast majority if the population will think this is a good thing.

How nieve...

care to elaborate?

im not talking shit, i agree! i have first hand experience - i never denied that the christians have the majority control in terms of poulation what im saying is as you pointed out - the jewish population has a huge influence in the government + they also control a huge proportion of the money in america therefore influencing the government... conneticut / new jersey / new york are virtually jewish mini states... this is also coincidently where the majority of power in the US is based...

what im saying is - it isnt simply a matter of christian beliefs...

Jewish owned media is the main reason these guys get to power, the more media backing they get the more chance they have of winning.. EVERYTHING in america that holds influence on people(media, film ect) is Jewish owned.. Without the backing of the Jewish community candidates wouldnt even get a single vote, these guys answer to their backers and 9 out of 10 times they will be jewish people wheather it be News Group owners or some other type of big industry main player..

They may win the vote with christians votes but whos TV channels and news papers do they read to make a desicion on it??

Is Rupert Murdoch a Jew ?

Are Jews gay?

Not that I know of..

No but instead of the christian "word for word" beleif of the anti gay passages in Leveticus (?) about gay sex being a disgusting acty and both men should die...or something....jewish people prefer to beleive that at the time of writing, It was more thought of as an act of rape, rather than consesual sex between 2 adults???

that might be a load of bullshit but i had a conversation with a christian about it ages ago and Thats pretty much how it went.

I guess your talking about the silly jews control the world through hollywood arguement?

Gerald Levin, Michael Eisner, Edgar Bronfman Sr, Edgar Bronfman Jr, Sumner Redstone, Dennis Dammerman and Peter Chernin... May very well have the top job in the media giants but then so have: Jack Welch, Michael H. Jordan, Rupert Murdoch, John Malone, Ted Turner, who shock horror aren't jewish

The myth that jews control the world through the media was first propagated in the 1930's by right wing fascists mimicing Nazi German tactics... Since then it has been used by every anti-semitic party form the klan to the nation of islam.

The actual media is publically owned, we're dealing with huge plc's.... the control lies in the public - from banks to microsoft - it isn't controled by a small group of beady eyed circumsised jews!

Now I'm not stating that the jews aren't in a powerful position, but to say they control america through the media is fucking ridiculous! AND EXTREMELY NAIVE!!!!

And on the issue we're discussing the media has little impact, we're dealings with deep rooted moral/religous ideology...

Im not saying they control the world through media, but they do own a hell of alot of that media which is something possible candidates depend on to get their message across. . Industry and commerce aswell is another area where they hold alot of power and any potential president needs the backing of this market.. The Media thing is just an example. The Jewish community in america hold a massive influence, at no point did I make such an outragous comment like "they control the world"

And dont say that peoples ideologys are not influenced by media. They most certainly are....

Can you read?

I clearly stated the media has little impact on peoples fundamental beliefs, it can certainly influence people - but changing peoples religious persuasions takes more than "Straight Sex Is Heavenly - The Movie". It is almost offensive that you think someones religous persusaion can be so easily corrupted... The media can be a great tool for propoganda - I'm not denying this... but a persons religion and moral stance tend to be a little more complex

Statistically (non-semitic) caucasians control the American media... So I don't get what your point is.... Or are u disputing this fact?

And Im telling you that IMO peoples Religious stance, fundimental beliefs ect can be influenced by the media.

I think it completely depends on the strength of persons beliefs and the media intensity. Some people have beliefs that they just wont change, even in the face of massive oppression, some peoples beliefs are weaker and can be influenced.

We have all seen the intensity of the Arab tv channel Al Jazeera during the Iraq War and the events in the Middle East, I would assume Arab radio shows and newspapers would be equally vocal. America has some fanatical Christian papers, shows etc that undeniably effect people who regularily read/listen.

Some peoples views can be altered and influenced by what we see... Nazi Germany used propoganda and it had a massive effect. Although anyone who believes everything they see/read/hear from the media in this day and age clearly is a sheep!

the bible belt affects the vote numbers wise...

the jews hold the money...

both religious groups who however fuct up they are internally - are not gay tolerant...

- comments like GW's please the powers which in turn pleases the public...

this is blatently obvious... every other post about something remotley 'intellectual' on here comes down to the usual suspects bashing the tabloids(+mail/express)/media and the way in which they print shitty propganda type articles to sway the opinions of their readers for whatever cause...

this is the same! the whole iraq war coverage by the media has been said by people on here to 'create hatred towards muslims' this is a way of changing peoples religious views is it not?

The difference between gay rights and something like iraq... is the persons original beliefs.

When the war rboke out in iraq, the media educated us - we formed our opinion based on what we extracted from the media... However with something like religion or gay tolerance, the person already has strong beliefs... so the media isn't as big an influence.

People are impressionable on fuckle things like fashion, humour, even things dialect... However its far harder to change a chain of thought that spans back generations... It can be done - look @ nazi germany - however its not an easy feat.

That wasnt just media though, Hitler was an amazing public speaker who brought along ideals which people could believe in, something most people crave as it gives a sense of security.

If Bush were as good an orator as Hitler he could have milions of people agreeing with him, but he's not, so he won't.

see what you mean.. but imo rascism is as much 'bred' into someones personal beliefs through lifestyle/upbringing and their circumstances as much as homophobia is...